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 Survey of the Letters of Paul:  2 Timothy 2:12  
  
                                                                                                                                                                                    
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2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
 
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This section has three verses:

2 Timothy 2:11-13
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

We will begin with the Barclay Commentary.

THE SONG OF THE MARTYR
2 Timothy 2:11–13

This is a saying which can be relied upon:

If we die with him,
we shall also live with him.
If we endure,
we shall also reign with him.
If we deny him,
he too will deny us.
If we are faithless,
he remains faithful
For he cannot deny himself.

THIS is a particularly precious passage because in it is enshrined one of the first hymns of the Christian Church. In the days of persecution, the Christian Church put its faith into song. It may be that this is only a fragment of a longer hymn.

There are two possible interpretations of the first two lines – ‘If we die with him, we shall also live with him.’ There are those who want to take these lines as a reference to baptism. In Romans 6, baptism is likened to dying and rising with Christ. ‘Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.’ ‘But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him’ (Romans 6:4, 6:8). No doubt the language is the same; but the thought of baptism is quite irrelevant here; it is the thought of martyrdom that is in Paul’s mind.

Quoted verses:
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:8
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

The hymn goes on: ‘If we endure, we shall also reign with him.’ It is the one who endures to the end who will be saved. Without the cross [stake], there cannot be the crown.

Then comes the other side of the matter: ‘If we deny him, he too will deny us.’ That is what Jesus himself said: ‘Everyone therefore who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father in heaven; but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before my Father in heaven’ (Matthew 10:32–3). Jesus Christ cannot vouch in eternity for someone who has refused to have anything to do with him in time; but he is always true to those who, however much they have failed, have tried to be true to him.

Quoted verse:
Matthew 10:32-33
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

These things are so because they are part of the very nature of God. We may deny ourselves, but God cannot. ‘God is not a human being that he should lie, or a mortal, that he should change his mind’ (Numbers 23:19). God will never fail those who have tried to be true to him; but not even he can help someone who has refused to have anything to do with him.

Quoted verse:
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jesus died to be true to the will of God; and Christians must follow that same will, whatever light may shine or shadow fall. ~Barclay commentary [with some edits]

Now to the other commentaries. We will begin with the general and go to the specific. This is rather rare, but what we are about to read is exactly what we had for verse 11.

From the F. B. Meyer:

The elect, 2 Timothy 2:10-13 : The Apostle sketches the experiences of the elect soul. It must endure, suffer, and die with Christ, that out of its surrender may come the truest, richest life, John 12:25. There is no path to lasting success save that of the cross [stake] and grave of Christ. It has been allotted to the redeemed in the divine program; each must tread it separately and with resolute purpose. But there is no doubt as to the sequel of a true life. The world of men may count it a failure, but God pledges Himself that as the pendulum swings here in the dark, it shall swing equally in yonder world of light. Three things are impossible with God-to die, to lie, and to fail the soul that trusts Him. Even when we cannot muster faith enough, His word of promise cannot be frustrated in the case of those whose faith is weak and trembling as the smoking flax. ~F. B. Meyer

Quoted verse:
John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Now the Matthew Henry Main:

Another thing with which he encourages Timothy is the prospect of a future state. Those who faithfully adhere to Christ and to his truths and ways, whatever it cost them, will certainly have the advantage of it in another world: If we be dead with him, we shall live with him, 2 Timothy 2:11. If we be dead with him, we shall live with him, 2 Timothy 2:11. If, in conformity to Christ, we be dead to this world, its pleasures, profits, and honours, we shall go to live with him in a better world, to be for ever with him. Nay, though we be called out to suffer for him, we shall not lose by that. ~Matthew Henry Main

Now the Matthew Henry Concise which covers verses 8-13:

Let suffering saints remember, and look to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of their faith, who for the joy that was set before him, endured the cross [stake], despised the shame, and is now set down at the right hand of the throne of God. We must not think it strange if the best men meet with the worst treatment; but this is cheering, that the word of God is not bound. Here we see the real and true cause of the apostle's suffering trouble in, or for, the sake of the gospel. If we are dead to this world, its pleasures, profits, and honours, we shall be for ever with Christ in a better world. He is faithful to his threatenings, and faithful to his promises. This truth makes sure the unbeliever's condemnation, and the believer's salvation. ~Matthew Henry Concise

Now from the Cambridge Bible covering verses 8-13:

Just as in the first chapter Paul appeals first to Timothy’s sympathies and experiences of an earthly kind to brace him up—his own strong feelings moved even to tears, his mother’s and grandmother’s faith and piety, the touch of the vanished hand in the solemn rite of ordination (2 Timothy 2:4-7), and then paints for him ‘the power of God,’ ‘the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus who abolished death,’ as the chief and strongest motive for keeping up heart and hope, since His must be the winning side, He must be able to keep that which is committed to Him (2 Timothy 2:8-12): so now, after the appeal to earthly analogies and common human experiences as to the necessity and the reward of pains and perseverance, he rises from the earthly to the heavenly, from the human to the Divine. ‘Remember, God’s plan—even the old, old promise to “the seed of the woman”—came out complete in the fullness of time. Jesus Christ of the seed of David bruised the, old serpent’s head when He rose “victor over the tomb.” True, I, or any one of us His humble servants, may for a time seem trodden under, but ’tis only for a time; the salvation, the eternal glory, is assured in His power; if we endure we shall also reign with Him. This is the motive of motives to play the man; this is indeed being strengthened in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. ~Cambridge Bible

Now to the specific commentaries.

The verse is primarily in two parts:

1] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him.
2] If we deny him, he also will deny us.


1] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him.

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him - The meaning is, that the members will be treated as the Head is. We become united with him by faith, and, if we share his treatment on earth, we shall share his triumphs in [the Kingdom]; see the notes at Roman 8:17. ~Barnes Notes

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him - These are other parts of the true doctrine, which the apostle mentions above. ~Adam Clarke

If we suffer - With him, with Christ, as in Romans 8:17 all the elect suffered with Christ when he suffered; they suffered in him the whole penalty of the law, all the righteousness, strictness, and severity of it; and they are partakers of the benefits of his sufferings, as peace, pardon, righteousness, redemption, and everlasting salvation. And such being called by grace, and having made a profession of Christ, they suffer shame and reproach, loss of credit and reputation, and sometimes loss of goods, and corporeal punishment, and even death itself: but though they do, and if they should, they may be satisfied of the truth of this. ~John Gill

We shall also reign with him - They reign with him now in the kingdom of grace [Salvation Process]; grace reigns in their hearts, where Christ, the King of glory, has entered, and has set up his throne, and where he dwells by faith, they being made kings and priests unto God by him; and they shall reign with him in his kingdom here on earth, for the space of a thousand years; and they shall reign with him in glory to all eternity: this is certain, for this kingdom is prepared for them, it is given to them, they are called unto it, and have both a right unto, and meetness for it; see Romans 8:17. ~John Gill

Quoted verse from the commentaries above:
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

If we suffer — rather, as the Greek is the same as in 2 Timothy 2:10, “If we endure (with Him)” (Romans 8:17 ...quoted above). ~Jamieson, Fausset, Brown

Quoted verses:
2 Timothy 2:10 [See Lesson]
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

We shall also reign with him — The peculiar privilege of the elect Church now suffering with Christ, then to reign with Him (see on 1 Corinthians 6:2). Reigning is something more than mere salvation (Romans 5:17; Revelation 3:21; Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:4-5). ~Jamieson, Fausset, Brown

Quoted verses:
1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection [referring to verse 4].

We shall also reign with him. - The thought, though not the words, enters into our Lord’s teaching: ‘Ye shall sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel’ (Matthew 19:28). ~Popular commentary

Quoted verse:
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

2] If we deny him, he also will deny us.

If we deny him - To escape suffering for him. ~John Wesley Explanatory Notes

If we deny him, he also will deny us; - see the notes at Matthew 10:32-33. ~Barnes Notes

Quoted verse:
Matthew 10:32-33
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Commentary:
 

Whosoever therefore shall confess me - The same word in the original is translated confessand profess,. It means to acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, and our dependence on him for salvation, and our attachment to him, in every proper manner. This profession may be made in uniting with a church, in conversation, and in conduct. The Scriptures mean, by a profession of religion, an exhibition of it in every circumstance of the life and before all people. It is not merely in one act that we must do it, but in every act. We must be ashamed neither of the person, the character, the doctrines, nor the requirements of Christ. If we are; if we deny him in these things before people; if we are unwilling to express our attachment to him in every way possible, then it is right that he should disown all connection with us,or deny us before God, and he will do it. ~Barnes Notes
 

If we deny him, he also will deny us. - There is a denying of Christ in words; so it is denied by the Jews that Christ is come in the flesh, and that Jesus is the Messiah; and some that have bore the Christian name, though very unworthily, have denied his true deity, his real humanity, proper sonship, and the efficacy [effectiveness--producing a result] of his blood, righteousness, and sacrifice, for pardon, justification, and atonement: and there is a denying of him in works; so some that profess to know him, and do own him in his person and offices, yet in works deny him; their conversation is not becoming their profession of him; they have the form of godliness, but deny the power of it: there is a secret and silent denying of him, when men are ashamed of him, and do not confess him; and there is an open denying of him, by such who set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh throughout the earth. ~John Gill

Recap of this lesson:

1] We will be treated as Christ is currently treated.
2] We share in His treatment on Earth and we will share in His treatments in the Kingdom.
3] We suffer with Christ. We endure with Him.

4] We suffer the whole penalty of the law.
5] We are partakers of the benefits of His sufferings-peace, pardon, righteousness and salvation.
6] We will reign with Christ for the millennium and in the eternal Kingdom.

7] God has already given us the Kingdom by warrant.
8] Reigning with Christ is even more than salvation.
9] We must overcome the way Christ overcame [Revelation 3:21].

10] We confess Christ in conduct and conversation. We confess Christ in every circumstance of life.
11] We must be ashamed neither of Christ, His character, His doctrines or of the requirements of Salvation/Kingdom.
12] Confession of Christ is more about life, conduct, invoking the power of the Holy Spirit and living His doctrines and truths than it is to be a proselyte.



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